/r/dogs is a discussion-based subreddit, meant for asking questions, sharing information, and learning about our beloved canine companions and related dog-centric topics. It seems to work well for her thunderstorm anxiety. I still needed to make sure I was at home and nearby at all times and I would do other things to try to drown out the scary noises - turn on really loud fan, radio, etc. When you're first starting out with the shirt, you should put it on slightly looser so the dog gets used to the feeling of wearing it then snug it up over a few shorts sessions. Prior to shirt he broke out of crate several times, destroyed our window blinds and would cry. He loves being dressed, and it helps him a lot. THUNDERSHIRT The vet recommended ThunderShirt has already helped millions of dogs and cats, and is proven to be over 80% effective in calming during fireworks, thunderstorms, travel, vet visits, separation anxiety and more! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} It's basically swaddling, which only seems to truly work in a thundershirt way with very tiny humans who are still operating primarily on instinct? I got a thundershirt for my dog, who is also scared of storms and fireworks, about 9 months ago. it is a snug vest that you put on your dog and it makes all their anxiety melt away. (We get our storms in summer, and the dog is prone to escaping if there's a storm while we're not home, so it would mean leaving him in it whenever a storm was forecast). Dogs can be anxious or fearful for many reasons: thunderstorms, fireworks, travel, vet visits, separation anxiety and more. Like swaddling an infant, our dog anxiety vest's patented design applies gentle, constant pressure to calm all types of anxiety, fear, and over-excitement issues in dogs. Thundershirt probably won't help, unless he's vomiting due to anxiety. You know how swaddling a baby helps to comfort it? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Indiana & Bodhi : Australian Cattle Dorks, Denver (19 mth old), Keeper (9mth old) - Havanese. I was given one as a gift for my GDSx who's terrified of storms. Way better than drugging your dog. Edit: here is a link. After talking to our vet (who said several people had called in with dogs acting weird), we bought a thundershirt. My brother's dog is scared of storms and fireworks and I was wondering if the Thundershirt would help her. They come with a 3 day guarantee too, so you can return for your money back if it doesn't work. [Discussion] Do Thundershirts work for general shyness/anxiety? She says they work most of the time. And usually some improvement is worth $40. If your dog is afraid of thunder or other loud noises, this product is probably worth the price. She bought it for her german shepherd that has severe anxiety. The theory for how it works is based on infant swaddling and hug machines for autism. It seems to be a bit more effective that way. Puerto Rico customers: Online sales, specials or promotions are not subject to substitution and rainchecks do not apply. 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She says it really works. The material seems a little thin and everything straps together with Velcro. The Thundershirt is said to work in about 80% of dogs it’s tested on, well you can count Zoe as one of their happy customers. I purchased a medium. It worked like a charm for my shih tzu. That's why must people need a blanket to sleep, even if warm. So far, I just make sure to put him in the back bedroom, close the drapes, and turn the air conditioner on high to drown out any thunder. My dog doesn't "need" one, and I've heard it depends on the dog. Grandin’s work is specifically called out on the website for Thundershirt, the major player in the animal anxiety wrap market. But in that week, the thundershirt worked. After my sister started using the thundershirt she said that her dog was significantly calmer and was able to lay down and be much calmer. The idea seems almost too simple to work: a constant, gentle-pressure "hug" that calms an anxious pet's nervous system. Post shirt he relaxes most times except when it's play time and work time (walking). After putting the shirt on, she was still scared but was able to fall asleep and lay down like normal. /r/dogs is a discussion-based subreddit, meant for asking questions, sharing information, and learning about our beloved canine companions and related dog-centric topics. We started selling it at my work during the 4th of July and it was a "miracle worker" per clients. It can literally be in the first 15 minutes I'm gone and sometimes even when my roommate is here asleep or taking a shower. Don't leave your dog unsupervised when he is wearing the shirt as he may become entangled trying to escape, resulting in injury or suffocation. The answer is a definite yes! Yep. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} He wore it all day, except for bedtime (I was on mat leave at the time, so I was home with him). But we only do that in the winter - he doesn't wear anything in the summer except his bandana. I do have friends who have one for their schnauzer, and they say it works wonders on him. You can use a scarf for the same effect :) It should be snug, but not constricting! For calming it worked the best on my two cats. Canine the Destroyer. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} Same principle, but cheaper and cooler. I find they work better on smaller dogs but thats just my observation. Most of the dogs i know who have this just have to manage around it. 80% of dogs suffering from anxieties associated with noise, fireworks, thunderstorms, separation, travel, crate, or barking benefit from the use of the ThunderShirt. It did nothing for my other dog, though. Sadly, this Thundershirt does not work for my dog. It works by providing possibly reassuring pressure to the dog's body. She uses thundershirt for her dog's thunderstorm/firework anxiety, and reports it works well. ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} It did help a little with a previous dog but her fear was more pacing and panting. It depends on the dog. Without the thundershirt my dog would pant and whine and walk around the house. I believe that the reason why it works for a lot of dogs may be different to the reason why it works for a lot of cats. Thundershirt is an excellent treatment for most types of anxiety and fear issues. I would try sileo, ask your vet about it. Yes! I think the t shirt idea is much better. It did not help her at all. She's one that knows the storm is coming through air pressure drop. The anxiety wrap theory works for dogs in the same way it works for people....pressure = comfort. Well Thundershirt.com claim that 80% of customers who completed their survey found that it had an improvement on symptoms displayed by their dog or cat. The thunder shirt discharges the static. Does the "Thundershirt" actually work? Preceding ThunderShirt, there simply wasn’t a simple and safe approach to … The thundershirt didn't work for me, but my coworker's dog LOVES his and it works great for them. I've been using it for my dog who gets over excited easily. I agree with using it before the anxiety starts. I am making the point by the way that its effectiveness will vary. Misc. Trainers offered desensitization training, but aside from the amount of time and effort that would take, dogs only really respond to the real thing, not recorded sounds. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/._2ppRhKEnnVueVHY_G-Ursy{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:22px 0 0;min-height:200px;overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2KLA5wMaJBHg0K2z1q0ci_{margin:0 -7px -8px}._1zdLtEEpuWI_Pnujn1lMF2{bottom:0;position:absolute;right:52px}._3s18OZ_KPHs2Ei416c7Q1l{margin:0 0 22px;position:relative}.LJjFa8EhquYX8xsTnb9n-{filter:grayscale(40%);position:absolute;top:11px}._2Zjw1QfT_iMHH7rfaGsfBs{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background:linear-gradient(180deg,rgba(0,121,211,.24),rgba(0,121,211,.12));border-radius:50%;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;height:25px;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;margin:0 auto;width:25px}._2gaJVJ6_j7vwKV945EABN9{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);border-radius:50%;height:15px;width:15px;z-index:1} Thundershirt claims they have an 80% success rate. By applying gentle pressure to your dog using this type of pressure wrap. I've used it on some of my foster dogs and have seen significant improvement with it. We try to put it on before she gets nervous, but when we know a storm is coming - she did better than I thought the past few storms, but she still reacted. The second we put it on him, he was back to his normal self. these are tools, not bandaids, and training is the only thing that will actually help your dog in the long run. He's not really scared of things so much as too much commotion makes him nervous. Good luck. Needless to say, we didn't stay long. A 45-day guarantee makes a lot of sense. Even my stepmom, who didn't believe that it would work, was surprised and impressed. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} That said, my other dog is afraid of big noises and she doesn't like the Thundershirt at all. I've not been able to find a thunder shirt big enough for my dog, so I can't say if they help or not. it's very important to pair things like thundershirts with actual training/desensitization. Last update: Oct 2, 2020 1 answer. ThunderShirt features a patented design that applies gentle, constant pressure on your dog's torso. The thundershirt works great - he's better behaved and calmer with it on. Pressure has a calming effect on the nervous system and is used to reliever anxiety. My dog was super anxious for no reason we could see. Mildly motion sickness (on this sub) has been managed by feeding the dog ginger/candied ginger for minor trips. She will come up and be next to people, but if you touch her she gets whiny and starts pacing again. It works for our one dog like swaddling can work to calm babies sometimes, I think. I have no experience with the thundershirt but I wonder if it would help calm him enough to do some more productive training. Like swaddling an infant, ThunderShirt applies a gentle, constant pressure to your dog or cat’s torso. We got one of these for our younger Pit that had some general fear issues. My dog has done better with a DAP Diffusor. A lot of the time, owners will bring in a thundershirt for their dogs stay in the kennel. They work because humans change their behavior in response to the dog wearing a thundershirt. It works wonders for one of my dogs. Dec 11, 2012 #2 I've used a thundershirt with my reactive dog Oliver, with some success. some scientists think it reminds our brains of the feeling of being snuggled and nestled in a uterus. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} Awesome. If for any reason you decide that the Thundershirt is not the right solution for your dog, you may return it within 45 days for a refund of your purchase price. http://www.sileodogus.com/?gclid=CNvgyYiGvc4CFUFZhgodDJwN2w._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} My friend uses one for her one dog who has a hard time with thunderstorms. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with Thundershirts either helping with the noises or with the shyness/anxiety of new people. Keep in mind, its like Melatonin for people- it might work to a certain degree or it might have no effect. i hardly use it anymore, because i don't really need to. One night she stood on our bed panting heavily. I got the Thundershirt for my husky, he has separation anxiety. If you're curious about trying it, you might as well! He's generally okay with thunder, but he's got really bad anxiety. It wasn't that bad until I made the DUMB mistake of taking her with me on the 4th of July. He was panicking, running around and panting until I took it off of him. It probably won't hurt your dog, and it might help! http://www.sileodogus.com/?gclid=CNvgyYiGvc4CFUFZhgodDJwN2w. The fact that the shirt is so tight is what makes it effective. I discussed buying one with the vet, along with my concerns that the dog could get very hot wearing one. She tried it for his thunderstorm anxiety, and it had the opposite effect. From genuine experience helping a large number of mutts and felines, we realize that Thundershirts help for over 80% of cases. On platforms like chewy.com, you’ll find numerous doggy parents sharing how wonderful this product has been to their anxiety-prone pups. We both put them on the morning of July 4th before any fireworks went off. I agree with using it before the anxiety starts. Based in part by the work of Temple Grandin, noted author, Doctor of Animal Science, and professor at Colorado State University, the Thundershirt is designed to calm pets who are afraid of loud noises (fireworks and thunder) and other anxiety-based behaviors. I have a pitbull mix who loves his thundershirt. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{height:24px;vertical-align:middle;width:24px}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} :/ He just thinks we're going for a walk when I go get it, because he associates other "clothes" with going outside. I bought one for my lab years ago. I think the results for thundershirt are very mixed. She wont stop to lay down. I've seen a little bit of help with my Belgian Sheepdog. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I use a thundershirt for our dog and it does work well. If its outright motion illness then the thunder shirt generally doesn't address the motion. My vet recommended trying the DAP infuser, which I haven't tried but it seems to be the same thing--sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Do not use it outside or in the car in very hot weather because your dog can then easily overheat, so be careful. Reactions: MaryK and Tâmara Vaz. I would recommend it, but know that it won't make the fear go away, just make it manageable. This calming pressure is helpful for over 80% of pets. Well the Thundershirt works the same way. Soo... not so much. If you do decide to try it, make sure that you put it on your dog while she's doing some good things (eating, playing, cuddles) so she associates it with that, or she'll just associate it with being scared and it won't do anything. I was at a place to watch fireworks from afar and thought she would be ok since she's so far away from the noise of them but people were lighting them off around us. Now she is EXTRA scared of storms and trembles and tries to make a pillow fort on my bed. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.de628c13230c59091a5d.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} My dog trainer girlfriend is dictating this comment to me. Advice on this forum is absolutely not a substitute for professional advice from a certified behaviorist, trainer, lawyer, or medical professional. The Thundershirt works for cats and dogs. TLDR; thundershirts may or may not work, all natural calming treats may or may not work. To the point that he was always having to be on us, or at the very least, sitting on our feet. ThunderShirt How does the ThunderShirt work? For example, I know my dog only reacts to real dog barks, not ones on TV. ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative} If you want to try it out, the company does offer a money back guarantee if it doesn't work for you. That being said, if it doesn't work for you, Thundershirt offers a 100% money-back guarantee. Results for thundershirt are very mixed can use a thundershirt for a jacket! 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